7 podcasts that will help you be a better product manager

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I first began listening to podcasts in earnest two years ago, generally as part of my daily two hour commute. Unlike other forms of media, I like the fact that with podcasts, I can switch off from everything around me and just concentrate on really listening to (and absorbing) the episode I’m playing; of being fully present in that moment.

Podcasting allows me to use my commute time to learn more about the things I love; to explore new ways of thinking and ideas; and to see the world from many different perspectives.

While product management is just one of the podcast playlists you will find on my phone, it is one that I return to week in, week out, to refine, expand and add to my core skills as a product manager. I’ve put together a list of a few of my favourites. I hope you like them!

Design Your Thinking 

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Hosted by Karthik Vijaykumar, Design Your Thinking brings together the worlds of design thinking and product management with Karthik interviewing leading product management and design managers (mostly from the United States). Karthik is skilled in helping weave a narrative and manages to draw out some interesting and relevant insights from his guests.

The Design Your Thinking website includes a summary of what you will learn in each podcast, additional resources relating to the guest and topics covered, making it easy to navigate and choose which podcast to add to your playlist.

This is HCD

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This is HCD is aims to bring a shared vision and understanding between the people who contribute to the creation of services in the world.

It provides fortnightly content for product managers, service designers, user experience designers, user researchers, visual designers, interaction designers and user interface designers to name a few.

Hosted by Gerry Scullion and Adrienne Tan, and broadcast from Sydney, Australia, This is HCD is a much needed addition in the product management and design podcast landscape.

While a relatively new podcast series, This is HCD has already delivered – covering a range of sectors and elements of business and service design. These include applying design thinking to education; using ethnographic research to uncover customer needs as well as the difference between brand and icon design.

One of my favourite podcasts!

100PM

100PM is on a mission to interview 100 Product Managers from around the world – and fortunately for us, allows us to share that journey via their podcast.

Born out of a desire to bring a diverse range of perspectives to demystify and create a common understanding about the profession of product management, host Suzanne Abate, interviews a global cast of product management leaders.

“100 PM is as much a resource for students, career-changers and tech-lovers as it is for those of us who are already working in product management to know we’re not alone in our struggles.” – Suzanne Abate

Anecdotally Speaking 

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Story telling, and the ability to convey concepts and ideas in an engaging way and with influence is a core skill for any product manager. In this Podcast, Shawn Callahan and  Mark Schenk use real life business stories to help listeners awaken the storyteller within.

Let’s face it, a core function of product management is the ability to influence and ‘sell’ the value of your ideas and propositions to key stakeholders, customers and backers. If you can’t communicate your idea effectively then you have a problem.

Anecdotally Speaking is a great podcast to help you craft your business and personal narrative and communicate your ideas with confidence.

Masters of Scale

Masters of Scale is an original podcast hosted by LinkedIn Co-Founder and Greylock Partner Reid Hoffman showing how companies grow from zero to a gazillion. In this  series of podcasts, Hoffman tests his theories with famous founders.

Professionally produced, Masters of Scale keeps listeners engaged as guests tell stories of how they have disrupted the industries they work in and developed sustainable business ideas which they have successfully grown at scale (hence the title!).

Masters of Scale is the first media programme in the United States to commit to a 50-50 gender balance for guests.

We Need Another Meeting – A podcast about product

We Need Another Meeting is the brainchild of Josh Tolman and Kyle Jacobsen. Covering a wide range of product management, UX and design domains, We Need Another Meeting is a great resource for both beginner and experienced product managers alike.

In addition to covering core topics such as how to manage product prioritisation and scope creep, Josh and Kyle also address often neglected areas such as pricing and metrics.

Professional Pricing Society Podcast

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While pitched at pricing professionals, the PPS Pricing Podcast has some valuable insights and lessons for product managers, particularly on defining and creating value.

If you have ever struggled to define the value of your product within a business case or monetise your product idea, then this is a must add to your podcast playlist.

If you are looking for an alternative resource on pricing, then you might want to try Pricing Prophetsfounded by Australian Jon Manning. While not a regular podcast, the  there are a number of podcasts you can download from their learning centre.

What podcasts are you listening to?

 

Design led thinking for the B2B product

 

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Human-centered design is all about building a deep empathy with the people you’re designing for.

While design led thinking and human centred design has been widely adopted in B2C product design, the adoption of this approach within non-tech and B2B contexts has been slow to gain traction.

In a B2B market context, just as within B2C markets product managers cannot afford to overlook creating exceptional experiences and propositions for their stakeholders. Functionality alone, is no longer enough to remain competitive and relevant.

Join me at the Women in Product Melbourne Meetup as I share my experiences in applying a human centred design approach in a B2B context within the financial services sector to deliver leading and differentiated propositions to market which your B2B customers value.

 

Diversity is a broken product in tech. FIX IT.

This is a re-post of the article originally published by Bo Ren on the 15th of July 2016.

Bo has articulated (much more eloquently than me) many of the experiences and issues within the overtly gendered role of product management. Many thanks to Bo for her courage in sharing her experience and highlighting the need for change. Her article is re-published here with her permission. 

Please note: my last day at Facebook was Friday, July 8th, 2016. I am no longer a Facebook employee nor am I writing on behalf of the company. This is my own personal experience and opinion on cracking into product management from a diverse, nontraditional path as a female minority PM. The intention of this story is to raise awareness about how complicit people in power are perpetuating a broken system that is not merit based to minorities and women. I want to raise awareness to invisible forces at play by pointing out disparities and equipping my readers with coping mechanisms and a call to action for reform.

Facebook recently released its diversity numbers. Despite its best efforts — hiring a global diversity chief and marshaling resources — it continues to struggle with hiring women and minorities in technical and leadership roles.Not much has changed in the last two years.

If diversity were a product that launched 2 years ago it would be considered a failure. A product that stagnates for two years has a growth problem.

When I wanted to become a product manager five years ago, I was told by countless people that I wasn’t technical enough (no CS degree), that I needed a MBA, that I didn’t fit into the Stanford cookie cutter mold (I went to USC on full ride scholarship instead). A lot of nay sayers. At my first startup, the director of PM told me he had never met someone like me before (I didn’t fit easily into a box). At my second startup, while aspiring to transition from being a technical project manager to product manager, the incoming VP of Product from Google changed the PM profile: you either had to have a CS degree or MBA to become a PM. Even existing product managers thought this was absurd since they would not have made the cut based on the new criteria. The invisible bar I had to hit to become a PM kept moving.

All the things that I secretly thought — I was lesser, different, and discriminated against coming from a non-technical, untraditional PM path — were true.

Words have power and the narratives we are told penetrate deep into our psyche. If you are told enough times that you’re not technical enough or good enough for a job, you start to believe that. This is stereotype threat in full effect.

A few weeks ago, I was shocked to see how blatantly easy it was for a white male colleague to become a product manager.

I had been training him to backfill my job after giving notice that I am moving to New York to join Tumblr. I had been training him for about a month to backfill my role so the team could operate smoothly in the next half (six month stretch) after I left.

Here are the facts:

  1. My manager wanted to promote him to a PM despite internal HR requirements that internal transfers be on their current team for at least a year. He was still three months short from meeting that requirement. My manager bent over backwards to promote this guy and override HR.
  2. In order to become a Facebook PM you need to go through the PM circuit where you are interviewed by three PMs for various aspects: execution, leadership, product sense, etc.
  3. During our last 1:1, I asked him if I could help him prepare for his PM interview circuit. To my surprise, he replied“[They’ve] got my back, I’m not worried about it.” They referred to the two men in power in our organization.

I was taken aback by his arrogance, bravado, and confidence. Facebook’s PM circuit is not an easy interview process. In tech and other fields dominated by men, we over index on confidence instead of competence.

To pass the PM circuit at Facebook, I had done interview practices with multiple engineering and PM friends, read Jackie Bavaro’s book Cracking the PM Interview, crawled Quora and Glassdoor for practice questions, and whiteboarded whole weekends solving Fermi problems and product hypotheticals. You can read more about my interview experience at Facebookhere.

I had pored over 100 hours preparing for my PM interviews whereas this dude thought he didn’t need to prepare because two men in leadership had his back.

I had to work 100X harder. Yet, up until that point, I felt lesser like something was wrong with myself. I had been told that “you don’t fit into the profile of a Facebook PM.” I had beaten myself up for not being technical enough, aggressive enough, outspoken enough etc. I am creative and think expansively. I am a zero to one PM who can build something from nothing instead of making micro-optimizations on existing products. Yet my strengths were viewed as weaknesses in my manager’s eyes.

I realized in that moment, shocked by what I just heard, that I had earned my place as a PM. I fucking earned it because no one gave me the benefit of the doubt.

Women and minorities (especially double minorities) who want to pursue product management, design, or engineering are constantly told that they are not technical enough or good enough to become X. But here stands in front of me this white dude with no PM experience — less than a year’s worth of experience on my team — who flagrantly thinks he didn’t need to prepare for the rigorous PM interview circuit.

Why do we doubt ourselves?

Why do we try so hard to prove ourselves?

Why do we mistake our strengths for weaknesses?

Why do we blame ourselves for failures and variables out of our control?

Why did we believe that we are inferior to men with CS majors?

Because we are told that we don’t cut it, even when we have the same or higher qualifications. There is a gulf between a privileged mediocre candidate and an excellent minority candidate. It’s the tension between the B, B+, B- folks versus the A, A-, A+ folks. Yet, even after college, there’s still grade inflation for mediocre white men.

It is flawed to look to women in power as indicators of progress in diversity. Just having Sheryl Sandberg, Marissa Mayer, and Mary Barra (all white women) in power is not enough for furthering diversity. If you are an excellent, smart, Ivy League graduate who is an early employee of a big tech company, you are going to do just fine despite difficulties and biases along the way. But what about the the other candidates who are not as fortunate?

Instead what we should look to is intersectionality in race, gender, age, and culture as markers of progress. How many Asian American, African American, Hispanic women, LGBT members are leading companies?


The gap between what’s preached and practiced at tech companies creates disillusionment.

The world is not fair so let’s not pretend it is in a politically correct environment. In fact, it does women and minorities more disservice to be indoctrinated into believing that they will be treated fairly when they won’t be. When a company’s values are so inconsistent with your own personal experience at that company, the best way to rationalize that disconnect is to blame the situation on yourself. Women do this all the time asking themselves what did I do wrong? Why didn’t I react differently in that situation? We beat ourselves up even when we should be looking at the unfavorable situations where we couldn’t win in the first place.

I will tell my daughter that she will be treated differently and discouraged to pursue technical and management roles. But I will also tell her to ignore the naysayers and not let anyone tell her something isn’t possible. She is going to prove people wrong.

It’s sad reading the amount of discrimination women and minorities face in tech. Reading the stats makes me want to quit tech. Venture capitalists and tech companies saying that it’s a funnel or pipeline problem and not an actual discrimination problem makes me even more sad. It makes me sad because it’s simply not true.

I’m tired of being sad.

What is not sad is rising above all the hardships and acknowledging that you earned it. You beat the odds getting to where you are. No one gave us any breaks or short cuts, we made it here despite the naysayers, institutional bias, and tech company profiles.

I love being a double minority (woman and a minority) because I know I have earned my success. No one gave it to me.

I earned it. You earned it. We earned it. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

For far too long I have been afraid to write about diversity, afraid of the repercussions, afraid that I will burn bridges, afraid that I will be viewed as a disgruntled employee, afraid that I will be deemed as the next Yelp girl. But I can’t not write about this social issue. The needle is moved when people become uncomfortable by the facts and stories. Stories build a pattern. Patterns point to a trend.

As technologists, we solve problems.

We need to be as rigorous about solving the diversity problem in tech as we are in solving product problems at our respective companies.

I am asking all companies to look at diversity as a broken product. What post-mortem analysis can we run to understand our stagnating numbers? How can we debug the reason why diversity numbers haven’t changed? What are some institutional biases we can tease out? What are some user studies we can run? Fix diversity. Fix it now. Diverse teams build better products, better products yield more revenue, more revenue creates happy investors and shareholders. Diversity is a bottomline for every business.

If you are a manager, director, VP, or founder, be conscious of who you promote. Are you promoting someone because they are similar to you or because they are competent? Are you hiring or promoting based on potential vs. proven track record? If based on potential, are you applying that fairly to women AND men? People who look like you and who DON’T look like you?

If you are a recruiter, don’t hire on “culture fit”. This is a BS rationalization of promoting one culture — white frat boy “brogrammer” — over all others. Please stop telling your candidates that you are hiring them because they are diverse candidates. Tell them they earned it. You nip the impostor syndrome in the bud when you tell them they’ve earned it. Tell them that they got the offer besides embodying attributes that fit into your hiring quota. Tell your candidate that he/she is just as capable as someone who comes from privilege.

Do your part. Don’t become complicit in this broken system. Let’s take a new look into diversity and solve its growth problem. Together, we can do this.

Thank you Ellen Chisa, Julie Ann Horvath, Lesley Grossblatt, Stephanie Szeto, Katie Tsang, Ashley Dotterweich, Bruna de Goes, and Henry Soong for giving me the strength to publish this piece ❤

Does Gender Play a Role in Product Management?

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Last night I led a discussion at the Product Talks Sydney in relation to the role of gender in product management.

One of the reasons I started thatproductchick was because, as a woman in product management, I felt disconnected from much of the product management discussion and representation. When you search for “product manager” online, for example, overwhelmingly the imagery and language is male.

In my product management career to date, I have encountered both overt and implicit gender bias. With experience (and many mistakes!), I have learned how to be effective and overcome these challenges. As with any implicit behaviour however, they are difficult to identify, navigate and ultimately change. (Any product manager who has explored the role of behavioural economics in service and product design will know how powerful implicit belief systems are.)

Below is a brief excerpt from last night’s presentation, outlining things product managers and leaders can do to to address gender bias and make the product community reflective of the community in which our products and services thrive:

  • Don’t hold yourself back – work outside your comfort zone and take the opportunities that come your way
  • Be explicit about your career aspirations and choices. Ask for and participate in professional development and training
  • Keep real-time records – objective metrics and compliments that you can use in your performance conversation and be prepared substantiate and highlight your achievements
  • Don’t undermine yourself – be quietly confident
  • Watch out for being unfairly assigned ‘office housework’. Be strategic about what you say yes to and what you say no to
  • Know your product portfolio financials and metrics – metrics are hard to argue against; they build your credentials and can bridge divides based on stereotypes or biases
  • Actively engage stakeholders early and frequently – even the tough ones.
  • As a product leader (both women and men), actively hire for diversity and inclusion. Be conscious of your inherent bias.
  • Support your team to work across (and up) your organisational structure

A big shout out to Adrienne and Nick from Brainmates for hosting last night’s event.

You can download a full copy of the presentation: Does Gender Play A Role In Product Management V3.7

 

Product Talks Sydney – gender in product management

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Join myself and the Sydney product community as we discuss and explore the role of gender in product development. The 2016 Pragmatic Marketing survey found that 63% of product managers are male, increasing to 79% in more senior roles. What role does unconscious bias play in product management and what does this mean when engaging and influencing diverse stakeholder groups to drive deliverables? It’s bound to be an interesting and robust discussion. Hope to see you there.

Does Gender Play a Role in Product Management?

Tuesday, May 24, 2016, 5:30 PM

Brainmates HQ
Level 6, 100 Clarence Street Sydney, AU

44 Product People Attending

The 2016 Pragmatic Marketing Global Product Management survey found that 63% of product managers are male, increasing to 79% for more senior product roles.While gender equity issues persist within corporate Australia more generally, in a role where stakeholder influence and the ability to manage across multiple domains is critical, what role does …

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